Drop BOINC!!!

Questions and Answers : Wish list : Drop BOINC!!!

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David McClanahan Send message Joined: 26 Jul 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 5,203 RAC: 0	Message 441486 - Posted: 21 Oct 2006, 23:51:55 UTC
	BOINC is just more than I want to deal with. I ran lots of datasets for SETI when you supported a command line app, I could simply run it as a batch app and this is FAR preferable to me. As to a wish list. Simply go back to supporting a simple, non-GUI data processing app. ____________
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Ageless Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 11635 Credit: 1,998,340 RAC: 4,202	Message 441488 - Posted: 22 Oct 2006, 0:01:25 UTC
	And how do you suppose they pay for that? The NSF grant is only for BOINC, not for Seti. As in a post by Matt Lebofsky, Project administrator, Project developer, Project scientist, dated some 216 days ago: "When I first started working on the SETI project (circa 1997) it was basically just Dan, Jeff, and me, with occasional students. There was absolutely no funding outside of private donations and help from TPS and the SETI Institute, and none of us actually "worked" full time on the project (i.e. we didn't get paid full time). Even back then Sun was good about donating necessary hardware. David started developing SETI@home for free. When it became viable is nicely coincided with the dot com boom so various companies were more willing to donate cash and hardware, and the university was more willing to match these funds. This carried us through the heart of SETI@home classic, though just barely. NSF/NASA does not support SETI projects. Case closed. However, NSF will support instrumentation developed by Dan which could be used for SETI data collection as well as other non-SETI projects. So there are scant bit of funds there to work on the data recorder, etc. NSF is also pleased with BOINC and is funding that, as it is useful in so many fields of science and beyond. But the dot coms disappeared years ago, as did the university matching money. Proposals are continually being drafted to various funding organizations, but to little avail. The current political climate has been terrible for science in general, and SETI has always gotten to short end of the stick to begin with. So that's where we're at. - Matt" And so no... they won't drop BOINC. Please remember that BOINC isn't just Seti. It's some 35+ other projects as well, with a total user base of over 800,000 people. What will you tell them? ____________ Jord - BOINC FAQ Service - BOINC User Wiki Real is just a matter of perception.
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Aurora Borealis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jan 01 Posts: 2975 Credit: 4,233,177 RAC: 2,602	Message 441495 - Posted: 22 Oct 2006, 0:15:05 UTC - in response to Message 441486.
	BOINC is just more than I want to deal with. I ran lots of datasets for SETI when you supported a command line app, I could simply run it as a batch app and this is FAR preferable to me. As to a wish list. Simply go back to supporting a simple, non-GUI data processing app. Seti-Classic it is dead never to return. See Why classic SETI@home is closing down and other facts of life by Matt Lebofsky who is a project administrator, developer and scientist, and has been with Seti from the beginning. Boinc is and will continue to be the only game in town as long as funding permits . Without it the whole project is finished. I sorry if you cannot accept and adapt to this simple fact. ____________ Questions? Answers are in the "Unofficial" BOINC Wiki. Boinc V7.0.27 Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470
	ID: 441495 ·

John McLeod VII Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 22343 Credit: 439,209 RAC: 396	Message 442119 - Posted: 22 Oct 2006, 22:27:50 UTC
	There is a command line version of BOINC that comes with every installation of BOINC. This can be used instead of, or in addition to the GUI for control. ____________ BOINC WIKI
	ID: 442119 ·

Firetec Send message Joined: 1 Jul 02 Posts: 1 Credit: 0 RAC: 0	Message 442816 - Posted: 24 Oct 2006, 3:52:38 UTC - in response to Message 441486.
	BOINC is just more than I want to deal with. I ran lots of datasets for SETI when you supported a command line app, I could simply run it as a batch app and this is FAR preferable to me. As to a wish list. Simply go back to supporting a simple, non-GUI data processing app. I agree with you where is the old stuff It worked. ____________
	ID: 442816 ·

mikey Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0	Message 442943 - Posted: 24 Oct 2006, 12:01:15 UTC - in response to Message 442816.
	BOINC is just more than I want to deal with. I ran lots of datasets for SETI when you supported a command line app, I could simply run it as a batch app and this is FAR preferable to me. As to a wish list. Simply go back to supporting a simple, non-GUI data processing app. I agree with you where is the old stuff It worked. You are forgetting that Seti is about Science, and the old program was getting fairly useless in the Science it was returning, the program had to evolve. ____________
	ID: 442943 ·

Caroline Send message Joined: 23 Mar 00 Posts: 46 Credit: 31 RAC: 0	Message 443105 - Posted: 24 Oct 2006, 20:29:36 UTC
	BOINC isn't about science.. it is about an online competition for points and credits. ____________
	ID: 443105 ·

mikey Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 17 Dec 99 Posts: 4215 Credit: 3,474,603 RAC: 0	Message 443135 - Posted: 24 Oct 2006, 21:18:02 UTC - in response to Message 443105.
	BOINC isn't about science.. it is about an online competition for points and credits. Your opinion has been noted and ignored. ____________
	ID: 443135 ·

747pilot Send message Joined: 8 Apr 00 Posts: 2 Credit: 10,169 RAC: 0	Message 443281 - Posted: 25 Oct 2006, 2:37:10 UTC
	I think the concept of BOINC is great! The notion of being able to harness scads (sorry for getting technical) of volunteer precessor time for varying projects is fantastic, in all definitions of the word. I am very happy to be given the chance to lend a hand to SETI and potentially other worthwhile projects via my processor time. Unfortunately at the moment, the prefferences page seems to be the actual "wish list" and is in no way afilliated with or recognized by the BOINC program (aparently). Once installed BOINC runs at full bore no matter what, even if you close the manager. Wow. Anyway, I didn't want to express dissapointment only, but also wanted to encourage whoever is "out there" working on BOINC by saying we are pulling for you and are exitedly waiting for a fully functional BOINC! 747pilot
	ID: 443281 ·

Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 17,997,262 RAC: 56,722	Message 443289 - Posted: 25 Oct 2006, 2:59:03 UTC - in response to Message 443281.
	Once installed BOINC runs at full bore no matter what, even if you close the manager. Wow. It only runs at full bore after you close the BOINC Manager if you install it as a system service. Otherwise, if it's a shared installation or single installation, it should quit as soon as you close the BOINC Manager application. ____________
	ID: 443289 ·

747pilot Send message Joined: 8 Apr 00 Posts: 2 Credit: 10,169 RAC: 0	Message 444248 - Posted: 26 Oct 2006, 20:02:37 UTC - in response to Message 443289.
	It only runs at full bore after you close the BOINC Manager if you install it as a system service. Otherwise, if it's a shared installation or single installation, it should quit as soon as you close the BOINC Manager application.[/quote] I am just a user, but will try to figure that out. I did the default setting on installation. Thanks for the tip, Greg
	ID: 444248 ·

Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 17,997,262 RAC: 56,722	Message 444348 - Posted: 26 Oct 2006, 23:37:01 UTC - in response to Message 444248.
	I am just a user, but will try to figure that out. I did the default setting on installation. Thanks for the tip, Greg If that doesn't work, please report back here and we'll see if we can locate the problem for you. All processing should cease if you exit BOINC Manager when not installed as a system service. ____________
	ID: 444348 ·

ianmor Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 1 Credit: 22,493 RAC: 0	Message 461122 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 18:23:25 UTC - in response to Message 441495. Last modified: 18 Nov 2006, 18:37:58 UTC
	BOINC is just more than I want to deal with. I ran lots of datasets for SETI when you supported a command line app, I could simply run it as a batch app and this is FAR preferable to me. As to a wish list. Simply go back to supporting a simple, non-GUI data processing app. Seti-Classic it is dead never to return. See Why classic SETI@home is closing down and other facts of life by Matt Lebofsky who is a project administrator, developer and scientist, and has been with Seti from the beginning. Boinc is and will continue to be the only game in town as long as funding permits . Without it the whole project is finished. I sorry if you cannot accept and adapt to this simple fact. What a supercilious tone! If funding is scarce, it seems to me rather short sighted to be so tart with a user who feels like leaving the project. I am certain that you will promptly correct me but nonetheless, I feel obliged to observe in text that the project depends on as many users' _free_processor_time_ as possible. This seems particularly ironic given that you present yourself as a "volunteer tester" ____________
	ID: 461122 ·

Pooh Bear 27 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jul 03 Posts: 3217 Credit: 1,000,061 RAC: 0	Message 461147 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 18:47:29 UTC - in response to Message 461122.
	What a supercilious tone! If funding is scarce, it seems to me rather short sighted to be so tart with a user who feels like leaving the project. I am certain that you will promptly correct me but nonetheless, I feel obliged to observe in text that the project depends on as many users' _free_processor_time_ as possible. This seems particularly ironic given that you present yourself as a "volunteer tester" People come, people go. Classic and now BOINC are effectively the same. Some people like the Classic some like the current. If you understood the whole story, Classic was dead. It was either going to close, or change. It changed. There was no money in Classic, it was totally broken, and the fix would have cost more than changing it to the current iteration of the software. SETI itself may die some time in the future if there is not enough funding, but BOINC will go on because of the dozens of projects able to be done via BOINC. These boards are mostly volunteer based. The developers are busy enough keep the softwares, boards, etc. running which is why there are very few posts from them. It's just a handful of people who write and run this, only a couple of them are full time, the others are students, volunteers, etc. No one is getting rich off this, it is run as efficiently as it can with the money they have. Classic got a grant that was supposed to last 2 years, they were able to keep Classic around over 6 years. That has to say something about the way the systems have been run. SETI did what they had to, and nothing can change that fact. ____________
	ID: 461147 ·

Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 17,997,262 RAC: 56,722	Message 461160 - Posted: 18 Nov 2006, 19:39:00 UTC - in response to Message 461122.
	What a supercilious tone! If funding is scarce, it seems to me rather short sighted to be so tart with a user who feels like leaving the project. I am certain that you will promptly correct me but nonetheless, I feel obliged to observe in text that the project depends on as many users' _free_processor_time_ as possible. This seems particularly ironic given that you present yourself as a "volunteer tester" That "tone" comes from the fact that you cannot please everyone. Some people simply don't understand BOINC, or have problems with it, and instead of asking questions, they immediately sound the death-drums for BOINC, using the old cliche "keep it simple" - when BOINC already is, if given a chance. Though all BOINC projects require as much free CPU time as possible, you cannot treat each individual as rare platinum because it will be an exercise in futility. It is simply impossible, and why even try? Even retail stores do the same. They have a niche market they are going after, they set their own rules and you shop by that fact. For instance, Best Buy absolutely refuses to accept any returns without a receipt. Not even demanding a manager will change this fact. It is the rule and all customers must abide by it. You can get pissed and refuse to shop there, you can even tell all your friends not to shop there, but the rule is in place for a reason. Sure, my above example isn't without it's differences from BOINC, but the main point is, SETI Classic is gone forever and not everyone can be appeased. They can either accept that it's gone or not - it's their choice. But it isn't going to change anything if they don't accept it or choose to complain about it (and they all like to complain about it, even going as far as speaking for some sort of 'majority' out there that they have proof of). ____________
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Aurora Borealis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jan 01 Posts: 2975 Credit: 4,233,177 RAC: 2,602	Message 468766 - Posted: 30 Nov 2006, 4:54:43 UTC - in response to Message 468754. Last modified: 30 Nov 2006, 4:59:16 UTC
	Wow, yet another thread with members complaining about the graphics for Seti@home in Boinc! Gee, anybody notice a trend here? Yes. People just can't let go of the past. They wont accept that Boinc is not a screensaver, but a projects manager with some limited screensaver capabilities. Seti-Classic screensaver software has long since stop serving its purpose. It is dead. It wont be resurrected. It no longer exist. Time to move on. ____________ Questions? Answers are in the "Unofficial" BOINC Wiki. Boinc V7.0.27 Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470
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John McLeod VII Volunteer developer Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 22343 Credit: 439,209 RAC: 396	Message 468777 - Posted: 30 Nov 2006, 5:07:28 UTC - in response to Message 468754.
	Wow, yet another thread with members complaining about the graphics for Seti@home in Boinc! Gee, anybody notice a trend here? Please stop pulling up all of the old threads that you can find that touch this topic. It won't help your cause at all. ____________ BOINC WIKI
	ID: 468777 ·

TripleA Send message Joined: 8 Dec 06 Posts: 8 Credit: 4,048 RAC: 0	Message 483329 - Posted: 16 Dec 2006, 11:10:03 UTC Last modified: 16 Dec 2006, 11:15:57 UTC
	I wish to share my workload with my second computer at home without internet access and then be able to upload it back to boinc from my laptop which I can conect to the internet at work... why can't that be done? the credit go on my acount anyway so what's the big deal which computer does the work. sorry wrong thead... I don't want boinc to be droped.. it's working fine for me. excepte that problem...
	ID: 483329 ·

Aurora Borealis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 14 Jan 01 Posts: 2975 Credit: 4,233,177 RAC: 2,602	Message 483928 - Posted: 17 Dec 2006, 4:54:30 UTC - in response to Message 483329.
	I wish to share my workload with my second computer at home without internet access and then be able to upload it back to boinc from my laptop which I can conect to the internet at work... why can't that be done? the credit go on my acount anyway so what's the big deal which computer does the work. sorry wrong thead... I don't want boinc to be droped.. it's working fine for me. excepte that problem... One of the reasons that the developers decided to make this more difficult was that this is one method that credit hounds used to cheat in Seti-Classic. They would seek out quick running WU and replicate them on many computers sending the garbage data back to Seti. This created problems for the data base as well as validating the result. For this reason results now also require validation from three different users to be granted credits. If you search around you can find a few threads discussing how to crunch with a computer other then the one that U/D loads the work, but it is a pain, which is the developers intention. They may someday in the future ease this restriction when they are sure they keep control over these rogue elements. ____________ Questions? Answers are in the "Unofficial" BOINC Wiki. Boinc V7.0.27 Win7 i5 3.33G 4GB, GTX470
	ID: 483928 ·

TripleA Send message Joined: 8 Dec 06 Posts: 8 Credit: 4,048 RAC: 0	Message 484049 - Posted: 17 Dec 2006, 9:45:15 UTC - in response to Message 483928.
	Well I guess I have to live with that for now
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