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Message 34408 - Posted: 27 Jul 2008, 21:03:17 UTC

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Message 34410 - Posted: 28 Jul 2008, 1:29:08 UTC

I must be missing the boat somewhere--I downloaded everything & modified my app_info.xml (using AK_V8_linux32_ssse3). Can't seem to get any AstroPulse stuff. Can someone look at my app_info & see if I did it right?

<app_info>
<app>
<name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>AK_V8_linux32_ssse3</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>528</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>AK_V8_linux32_ssse3</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
<app>
<name>astropulse</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.35_i686-pc-linux-gnu</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>ap_graphics_4.35_i686-pc-linux-gnu</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse</app_name>
<version_num>435</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.35_i686-pc-linux-gnu</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_graphics_4.35_i686-pc-linux-gnu</file_name>
<open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>


Thanks!!
Any other info would be very helpful!!!
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Message 34414 - Posted: 28 Jul 2008, 4:25:12 UTC - in response to Message 34410.  

Here's mine from Astropulse 4.34... change numbers at will...

<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.34_windows_intelx86.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>ap_graphics_4.34_windows_intelx86.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.34_AUTHORS</name>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.34_COPYING</name>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.34_COPYRIGHT</name>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>ap434.jpg</name>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse</app_name>
<version_num>434</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.34_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</file_name>
<open_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</open_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap_graphics_4.34_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
<open_name>graphics_app</open_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.34_AUTHORS</file_name>
<open_name>astropulse_4.34_AUTHORS</open_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.34_COPYING</file_name>
<open_name>astropulse_4.34_COPYING</open_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.34_COPYRIGHT</file_name>
<open_name>astropulse_4.34_COPYRIGHT</open_name>
</file_ref>
<file_ref>
<file_name>ap434.jpg</file_name>
<open_name>seti_logo</open_name>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

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Message 34417 - Posted: 28 Jul 2008, 8:16:39 UTC

Please read a bit further down this thread:

@ JLDun
There is a working Windows app_info posted at message 34336.

@ autocrosser
There are working Linux (32 and 64 bit) versions posted at message 34376.

Download links for both Windows and Linux are in message 34336.

Please do not run AK_V8 (or, indeed, any other optimised applications) here at Beta, except in the very specialised circumstances and for the particular reasons decribed in my Plan B posting - and even then, please accept the responsibility to run them only for as long as is neccessary, and remove them immediately when their job is done.

There is currently no need to implement Plan B - Astropulse work is available at the head of the queue - and so optimised apps should not be used. [There are references to AK_V8 in my sample for Windows because this thread is intended to assist Josh in planning the implementation of Astropulse in the Main SETI project, where optimised apps would be used. For ordinary Beta testing questions and reports, please post in the threads for the versions you're testing].

However, just at the moment, it would seem that nobody is going to get any work of any description - the server (scheduler) seems to be down. Check your BOINC message logs.
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Message 34421 - Posted: 28 Jul 2008, 16:30:26 UTC - in response to Message 34374.  

Well i decided to do some Astropulse on main,
so i pasted my app_info.xml details for AK_v8_win_SSE41.exe into
Richard's, had a look through it to see if it looked o.k,
but when i restarted it trashed all my Seti MB WU's!!
the result details say 'No main program specified'
put my old app_info.xml back for now, but can't get any more work
as i've got a daily quota of 2 now!!

Claggy

I think we've got a handle on this problem now.

Claggy had an app_info.xml downloaded from Lunatics (I've checked the source), containing lines like
<executable />
<main_program />
(with spaces)


I've always written those tags without spaces, and I've reproduced Claggy's problem on a machine here by adding the spaces. Further clarification in due course, no doubt, but for the time being - check for spaces in those tags, and delete if present.


Thanks for that, Been away from an Internet connection since i posted, modified
the app_info and put it back in my setiathome folder, but seti is down, almost
immediately i notice the gigabitethernet2_3 graph has taken a slight upwards
climb, and that i have two MB WU's, but still have only a quota of 2, both started
O.K, suspended one for now to see if it completes & if i get more work.

Claggy

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Message 34425 - Posted: 28 Jul 2008, 19:48:58 UTC - in response to Message 34410.  

I must be missing the boat somewhere--I downloaded everything & modified my app_info.xml (using AK_V8_linux32_ssse3). Can't seem to get any AstroPulse stuff. Can someone look at my app_info & see if I did it right?

<app_info>
<...
</app_info>

Thanks!!
Any other info would be very helpful!!!

Your app_info.xml seems to be semantically correct, but please use it only with the Seti@home Main project NOT at Beta.
At Beta please use the setiathome-6.02_i686-pc-linux-gnu application version and its graphics_app.
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Message 34428 - Posted: 29 Jul 2008, 3:17:12 UTC - in response to Message 34425.  

I have not been running the 6.02 app--could you point to a link to D/L it & a clue to a correct app_info.xml? I'm rather new here--have been working with the BOINC crew & running BOINC manager 6.2.14--currently have 5.27 client running. I tried to add the astropulse app to my app_info & lost all my current work, so went back to stock & have one astropulse wu in my stack.

Thanks!!



Your app_info.xml seems to be semantically correct, but please use it only with the Seti@home Main project NOT at Beta.
At Beta please use the setiathome-6.02_i686-pc-linux-gnu application version and its graphics_app.

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Message 34454 - Posted: 29 Jul 2008, 23:17:58 UTC - in response to Message 34428.  

I have not been running the 6.02 app--could you point to a link to D/L it & a clue to a correct app_info.xml? I'm rather new here--have been working with the BOINC crew & running BOINC manager 6.2.14--currently have 5.27 client running. I tried to add the astropulse app to my app_info & lost all my current work, so went back to stock & have one astropulse wu in my stack.

Thanks!!

At the Seti@home Beta site you can do work without app_info file, because here are (nearly) only (future) stock applications used. setiathome-6.02_i686-pc-linux-gnu is the name of the current version of the application to be tested and reported about (see Seti@home enhanced forum).
The list of all current versions at Beta.
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Message 34483 - Posted: 30 Jul 2008, 21:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 34348.  
Last modified: 30 Jul 2008, 21:06:50 UTC

Could I refer you, as an example, to the Einstein Power User Applications page, maintained by the project developer, Bernd Machenschalk. He links to .zip or .gz archives of the relevent files, and supplies an MD5 hash for the ultra-cautious to compare their download against the published original. Zipping the files would, at the very least, trigger an alert at the unzipping stage if the downloaded file was corrupt or incomplete, instead of not finding out until tasks started to crash (sorry for messing up your success-rate statistics!).


Let me know if this is what you want:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_advanced.php

If so, I'll link to it from the Astropulse FAQ
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Message 34484 - Posted: 30 Jul 2008, 21:18:33 UTC - in response to Message 34483.  
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Could I refer you, as an example, to the Einstein Power User Applications page, maintained by the project developer, Bernd Machenschalk. He links to .zip or .gz archives of the relevent files, and supplies an MD5 hash for the ultra-cautious to compare their download against the published original. Zipping the files would, at the very least, trigger an alert at the unzipping stage if the downloaded file was corrupt or incomplete, instead of not finding out until tasks started to crash (sorry for messing up your success-rate statistics!).


Let me know if this is what you want:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_advanced.php

If so, I'll link to it from the Astropulse FAQ

NO - very close, but not quite there yet.

Looking at the Windows files: the only thing I've got a problem with is the app_info.xml

1) (trivial, cosmetic). It would be helpful if the file could be in Windows text format, with <CR><LF> line terminators. This format (with, I guess, *nix <LF> line terminators) loads OK in WordPad, but is illegible in NotePad (the preferred Windows text editor for mini-files like this).

2) (important). We cannot include the actual setiathome_enhanced segment in an apparently-working file. As I said in message 34336, every user will have their own version of this section already, and they'll all be different. The example I posted was suitable for my ancient Pentium4 with SSE2 only, and pre-supposed I had aready downloaded a similar package of executable, support and information files from a third-party site.

We can, I suppose, do this any of three ways:

a) Include a non-working file - say app_info.sam (for sample). All the Astropulse bits, but without the opening and closing tags (black in my example). There would have to be a ReadMe.txt or similar telling people to copy the text from this sample file into their existing app_info.xml file.

b) Include a full working astropulse-only app_info.xml file, and warn people (in that same ReadMe.txt) that with this file, their computer will run Astropulse only - they will have to merge the contents of the file supplied by their existing SaH optimiser with this Astropulse one, if they want to crunch both types of WU.

c) Include the stock file references in app_info.xml, and the files themselves in the archive/download link section. That at least would work for both sets of WUs, but, again, the ReadMe.txt would have to say that the package would de-optimise their SETI MB tasks until they'd hand-knitted the two app_info.xml files back together again.

3) Two warnings for the ReadMe.txt:

a) Some versions of the SaH app_info.xml file - specifically, Claggy's AK_V8 SSE41 version discussed in this thread - have mal-formed <executable /> and <main_program /> tags with spaces. They seem to work, but fail when edited this way. The spaces should be removed, if present.

b) Users need to perform the following tasks, in order:

  • Stop BOINC
  • Copy the downloaded files to ...\BOINC\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu
  • Edit the various bits of app_info into one app_info.xml file
  • Restart BOINC

If they restart BOINC too soon (without rebuilding the app_info.xml file first), the executable files they have already/have just downloaded will be deleted, and they'll have to start again.

[that file location could be ...\BOINCdata\..., with the release - today of all days - of the new BOINC v6.2.14 as the new recommended version. And the list of recommended steps could be extended to include stopping BOINC network connections, and taking a full backup, in case it all goes wrong]

4) (cosmetic again} It's regarded as good form, and aids readability, if you use indenting in app_info files. If you click [reply] to my message 34336, you'll see the indenting is already in place (hence my cry of anguish when I saw that it had been display-rendered out of existence!) ready for you to copy. But then, you have to be careful to remove the [color...] and [/color] tags.

I think that's it - may be back later.

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Message 34490 - Posted: 30 Jul 2008, 23:33:51 UTC

Josh, reading between the lines, I guess you're relatively new to the BOINC user-experience end of things. Just to give you a bit of perspective on what we're up against, you might like to have a quick scan through the cartoon-strip version of the installation instructions for a single, pre-packaged, optimised SETI application.
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Message 34520 - Posted: 31 Jul 2008, 23:15:08 UTC
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Message 34613 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 17:40:06 UTC

Anyone remember the "Manic Credit Hound Emulation" mode test I started a fortnight ago?

I had a machine which had just finished a batch of VHAR "shorties", and the RDCF had came down to 0.1099

So I rigged for AP, and bumped my cache. With a six day cache setting, I downloaded 25 AP tasks, which was one more than I reckoned I could handle.

That was at 13:15 UTC on 24 July. I finished the 24th at 17:00 today, 7 August - about 14 days and 4 hours later.

At the time, we were (I was?) worried about the FAQ, which said (and still says) that the initial deadline would be 14 days at Main. In the end, the project went with 30 days, which I think is a much better choice. Nobody should be requesting more than a 10 day cache, and by this test they should be able to return them all by deadline, no matter how extreme their RDCF variation was beforehand.
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Message 34694 - Posted: 14 Aug 2008, 2:03:17 UTC - in response to Message 34484.  
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Okay - check out http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_advanced.php again. I believe I've fixed your 4 points. The instructions you wanted are now on the web page itself. Sorry about the long delay -


1) (trivial, cosmetic). It would be helpful if the file could be in Windows text format, with line terminators.

2) a) Include a non-working file - say app_info.sam (for sample). All the Astropulse bits, but without the opening and closing tags (black in my example).

3) Two warnings for the ReadMe.txt:

a) Some versions of the SaH app_info.xml file - specifically, Claggy's AK_V8 SSE41 version discussed in this thread - have mal-formed and tags with spaces.

b) Users need to perform the following tasks, in order:[list]

4) (cosmetic again} It's regarded as good form, and aids readability, if you use indenting in app_info files.
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Message 34699 - Posted: 14 Aug 2008, 11:55:40 UTC - in response to Message 34694.  

Okay - check out http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/ap_advanced.php again. I believe I've fixed your 4 points. The instructions you wanted are now on the web page itself. Sorry about the long delay -


1) (trivial, cosmetic). It would be helpful if the file could be in Windows text format, with <CR><LF> line terminators.

2) a) Include a non-working file - say app_info.sam (for sample). All the Astropulse bits, but without the opening and closing tags (black in my example).

3) Two warnings for the ReadMe.txt:

a) Some versions of the SaH app_info.xml file - specifically, Claggy's AK_V8 SSE41 version discussed in this thread - have mal-formed <executable /> and <main_program /> tags with spaces.

b) Users need to perform the following tasks, in order:[list]

4) (cosmetic again} It's regarded as good form, and aids readability, if you use indenting in app_info files.

I've had a look through the Windows section, and all seems fine - MD5 is correct, download works, I like your concept of "splicing" the .XML together.

A correction from my end - sorry:

The BOINC v6.2.14 data folder should be called 'BOINC Data' (although it wasn't on a test install I did yesterday, on a 64-bit Longhorn server - you can probably ignore that!)

Because the folder can be hard to find (i.e. hidden, on Vista), it might be better to include a link to Jorden's FAQ: http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?view=376 - people may have upgraded to BOINC 6 since they installed their optimised applications, and you don't want to be fielding all those questions as well.
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Message 34701 - Posted: 14 Aug 2008, 16:19:21 UTC - in response to Message 34699.  

Okay - the page is up on the faq now.
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Message 34702 - Posted: 14 Aug 2008, 18:01:51 UTC - in response to Message 34701.  

Okay - the page is up on the faq now.


This directory may be hard to find, but see the faq at http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?view=376.


This is minor, but the link to Jorden's faq could be made... well, a link.

-Juha
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Message 34822 - Posted: 25 Aug 2008, 6:39:29 UTC - in response to Message 34702.  

This is minor, but the link to Jorden's faq could be made... well, a link.

-Juha


http://boincfaq.mundayweb.com/index.php?view=376
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Message 34823 - Posted: 25 Aug 2008, 14:49:56 UTC

JLDun, et.al. --

One darn good link. Answers a lot of questions when changing over from BOINC 5xxx to 6xxx. Thank you


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Message 36683 - Posted: 30 Jan 2009, 9:14:55 UTC

Bumping this previously-sticky thread because it's got some useful information in it I keep referring to, and we may need it again to discuss the transition of v5.02 to Main - see if we can avoid those cross-validation problems this time.
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