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Message 17977 - Posted: 2 Apr 2007, 19:01:03 UTC - in response to Message 17923.  

I got a question, hopefully someone can answer,

Why are people aborting Seti Enhanced WU's just to get AstroPulse WU's? We still need to test both apps, am I right? See Here I'm just curious, thats all.

Jeremy

I also would like some clarification. Thank you for reading my mind Psychic Borg Thingamabob! lol Seriously, both still need to be crunched do they not?

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Message 18005 - Posted: 2 Apr 2007, 23:31:46 UTC - in response to Message 17977.  

I got a question, hopefully someone can answer,

Why are people aborting Seti Enhanced WU's just to get AstroPulse WU's? We still need to test both apps, am I right? See Here I'm just curious, thats all.

Jeremy

I also would like some clarification. Thank you for reading my mind Psychic Borg Thingamabob! lol Seriously, both still need to be crunched do they not?

Paul


Well, the short answer is yes, the Beta project still needs us (volunteers) to crunch and test both apps, SAH Enhanced AND AstroPulse.

IMO, people shouldn't cherry-pick the WUs (here or in any other project for that matter), but it happens. They seem to forget that our goal here is test, help debug in case of errors, test some more, inform any abnormal behavior, do further tests...

I checked the results of the user you found, and looks like a cherry-picking case to me. But don't worry, the quorum will handle those aborted WUs and the "damage" will be negligible. Right now AP is a novelty and everybody wants to crunch it. I believe the hype will go away eventually, because is too much trouble to keep monitoring the BOINC client for "bad" SAH Enhanced WUs.

Worst than that are the users that are using optimized apps here. IMO these users are not helping the BETA project, and they're just interested in how much credit they can get.

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Message 18008 - Posted: 3 Apr 2007, 0:27:17 UTC - in response to Message 17923.  
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Jeremy

If people are aborting work then is it misinformation about what is important... Please do not abort any work unless it is a stuck Astropulse WorkUnit) and there may be more directions on that side shortly in the Astropulse Forum...

Eric is still working with the receiver issue that has to be solved before MultiBeam goes to Seti Main... When that work is done then there is still testing... With issues with Astropulse getting any work from Beta and sending the Result back is still important! A portion of what I talked to Eric about today, there may be an issue with 5.8.xx BOINC Core Clients...

As I can call Eric and chat, I sometimes get more information that is not ready for public release... I know that he is as busy as I am and/or if not more... I do respect the trust and will not say things that he does not release...

All I will say is the server migration (Bruno) is in progress, there are still issues with various processes that make everything running Seti and Beta. The Seti Crew are still working on things during hours that you have put things away for the night... Can you ask more? Actually you can if you start dropping Donations in a again... However that is still being worked on for the next push (unless someone could just drop in about a quarter million dollars with the caveat to solve these problems)... We have to be patient...

I got a question, hopefully someone can answer,

Why are people aborting Seti Enhanced WU's just to get AstroPulse WU's? We still need to test both apps, am I right? See Here I'm just curious, thats all.

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Message 18018 - Posted: 3 Apr 2007, 1:25:31 UTC

Pappa, Wander, thank you for the answers. Its very sad to see people cherry picking, which means to me they are either:

A: only in it for the credits
B: just want to do AP WU's.

I know people have posted ways to create an app_info.xml file if you just want to download astropulse. Some of these people who "cherry pick" also read these boards, and should read carefully.

I just don't see any reason to really do either. I download what I download, weather its all Astropulse, or all Seti Beta 5.17 WU's, it doesn't matter to me. The way I see it, the less of the Seti Beta WU's that get done, the longer it will take to get this new app finished with whatever errors are left to hash out, and the longer it will remain here in beta testing.

I'm glad people are happy to see Beta moving forward and having AstroPulse, I am very excited to, but I just don't see the reason to cherry pick.

This is only my opinion, this is not to instigate any kind of flame wars or fighting. If you want to take any hostilities towards me, then email me jeremy at kb7rzf dot reno dot nv dot us I don't care to see any flame wars here, these boards here have been a very awesome board, and needs to remain that way.

Thank you.

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Message 18022 - Posted: 3 Apr 2007, 1:35:04 UTC - in response to Message 18018.  

<-- picks cherries. I like cherries. Just like everyone on WCG. World Cherry Grid.
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Message 18028 - Posted: 3 Apr 2007, 1:53:39 UTC - in response to Message 18022.  

<-- picks cherries. I like cherries. Just like everyone on WCG. World Cherry Grid.

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Message 18036 - Posted: 3 Apr 2007, 3:12:29 UTC

If people are cherry picking, for credit reasons, they might want to look at this workunit wuid=438230

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Message 18055 - Posted: 3 Apr 2007, 11:16:12 UTC - in response to Message 18036.  

I don't think it is for credits if they are cherry-picking AP WUs. It's probably a case over misplaced overzealousness to run the new application. All WUs are important to the project and you should just crunch what you get (IMHO).

If people are cherry picking, for credit reasons, they might want to look at this workunit wuid=438230

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Message 18124 - Posted: 4 Apr 2007, 0:05:09 UTC

Cherry Coke or Cherry Pepsi.... decisions decisions....
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Message 18145 - Posted: 4 Apr 2007, 2:30:28 UTC

I got upset the other night as someone is using an optimzed Seti App to be #1 in Seti Beta... Go look at the Astropulse Forum "App_info" Thread...

I have little tolerance for people that are not here to "properly test" the applications that will end up in Seti Main! Some of those could be future optimized App's. IF WE Can Keep Seti ALIVE! Then is for the common good! Many seem to think that they can ignore this!

IF YOU ARE HERE FOR THE CREDIT PLEASE LEAVE! IF YOU HAVE NOT DONATED AND CAN BUY NEW COMPUTERS PLEASE LEAVE! I have been fighting for over two years to make sure that Seti Survives and new Applications will get to Seti Main...

There are Many here that want to insure that Seti succeds, they work their Butts Off to make that happen!

So I have to ask what are you missing? Obviously something! We are here to make sure that the Next Generation of Seti Applications Work! That is Job #1! What you report makes that happen!

For those that are working to make that Happen! Thank You!

So count this as another Bad Day for Pappa, it is time to get priorites straight... I know where mine are... I know the hours I spend and the Staff at Seti spend... Not mention those that are working to get the Beta items to Seti Main...

Yes there are many here here that do not want to hear this... You are doing fine! Someone has to say it!

I guess that is my sad role...

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Message 18169 - Posted: 4 Apr 2007, 11:06:59 UTC - in response to Message 18124.  
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Cherry Coke or Cherry Pepsi.... decisions decisions....


Blech, neither! Rum & Coke or Rum & Dr. Pepper.... Now that's a toughie! XD
And when I say Rum, I mean Captain Morgan Special Reserve!



+1 to what Pappa said. To Beta Test is to Beta Test, it is not to crunch the most WUs, nor to get the most credits. As far as I'm concerned, Credit need only be seen by the developers to diagnose app problems, in Beta anyway. Just my 2 centavos.

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Dang! There I go spouting off about hiding credit when, in my slightly inebriated and very tired state, I forgot what my signature was. Oh well
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Message 18171 - Posted: 4 Apr 2007, 11:08:52 UTC - in response to Message 18169.  
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hmmmm, must've hit the reply to button instead of edit. see above edit for clarification.
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Message 18284 - Posted: 4 Apr 2007, 23:28:21 UTC

One thing that everyone has seen is the credit/hour is a bit odd. I had stated before that the App estimated the number of floating point operations was a best guess.. So the first batch and what they yield still has to be looked at for adjustments... That also affects things like the estimated run time... So DCF running both MultiBeam and Astropulse with tend to drive both off...


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Message 18289 - Posted: 5 Apr 2007, 1:01:57 UTC - in response to Message 18169.  

Cherry Coke or Cherry Pepsi.... decisions decisions....


Blech, neither! Rum & Coke or Rum & Dr. Pepper.... Now that's a toughie! XD
And when I say Rum, I mean Captain Morgan Special Reserve!

Don't forget when you empty that jar of maraschino cherries there is all that delicious cherry water left behind. It must be mixed with alcohol.
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Message 18769 - Posted: 10 Apr 2007, 6:50:13 UTC - in response to Message 18145.  

IF YOU HAVE NOT DONATED AND CAN BUY NEW COMPUTERS PLEASE LEAVE!


Actually, I appreciate people who are donating their CPU cycles to this project. Yes, I have donated some money and lots of CPU cycles.

PS. Is it OK to use an optimized application in the SETI Main Project? I have tried them, because almost everyone else has also! There are people that have RAC > 1000! I cannot have RACs that high even if I use optimized applications in both computers (one is dual-core, the other is single-core) and run SETI@home 24/7.

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Message 18770 - Posted: 10 Apr 2007, 7:44:40 UTC - in response to Message 18769.  

IF YOU HAVE NOT DONATED AND CAN BUY NEW COMPUTERS PLEASE LEAVE!


Actually, I appreciate people who are donating their CPU cycles to this project. Yes, I have donated some money and lots of CPU cycles.

PS. Is it OK to use an optimized application in the SETI Main Project? I have tried them, because almost everyone else has also! There are people that have RAC > 1000! I cannot have RACs that high even if I use optimized applications in both computers (one is dual-core, the other is single-core) and run SETI@home 24/7.

I personally do not like the use of optimized clients. To me it defeats the purpose of allowing the science app to update. It also requires the participant to pay more attention since the app must be updated manually. If you use an optimized app you no longer have a set and forget install.

On the other hand they have provided some significant improvements to the standard apps.
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Message 18843 - Posted: 11 Apr 2007, 4:18:31 UTC
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So that you know, many testers have been working to identify a problem with Astropulse... The first look is it appears that the dreaded -9's (radar signal)have a different outcome in Astopulse...

For the many Testers that worked in a standalone mode to find this Thank You!

Pappa

Edit:

I and many enjoy that we can converse here... It is also platform for those that run optimized apps in seti to test those... What frosts my butt, is those that knowingly abuse that priviledge and then ask questions about how to get my optimized app to work... They ignored Astropulse but were only here for the credit and to be #1!

Sorry, but I have been and am a Seti Beta Tester! I am a Seti Supporter! I am a supporter of the BOINC Projects... I also have been an Alpha Tester for Crunch3r and Simon's optimized applications... When I see this abuse, it sickens me... I and other continually work to solve issues before they get to Seti Main... You, are doing nothing "constructive!" You demean/devalue those that are here to Help!

What do you and others not understand?


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Message 18853 - Posted: 11 Apr 2007, 7:04:44 UTC - in response to Message 18769.  

PS. Is it OK to use an optimized application in the SETI Main Project?

Of course! The difference is that the main project is about production of results—which optimized apps increase greatly—while the Beta project is about testing new application code (and, I guess, various server-side developments, e.g. the Multibeam splitters). Suppose the developers release a v5.19 here, to try something new or to fix a bug. Results from optimized v5.15s (no matter how promptly returned) will be of no use for such purposes: on the contrary, they’ll just create clutter (no matter how valid the actual work) that will require sifting out in order to allow the effects of the update to be evaluated.

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Message 25505 - Posted: 18 Jun 2007, 21:35:24 UTC - in response to Message 17659.  
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For those of you who wish to run AP and only AP - NO Enhanced - this is your app_info.xml:

<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.12_windows_intelx86.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll</name>
<sticky/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>ap412.jpg</name>
<sticky/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse</app_name>
<version_num>412</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.12_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

As anyone can see I have a ton of AP units but no Enhanced units.


I just wanted to prepare the use of this app_info.xml; copied this and changed 4.12 -> 4.16

The 4.16er application is in the projects directory, but if boinc starts I get:

18/06/2007 23:23:13||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.6 for windows_x86_64
18/06/2007 23:23:13||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Libraries: libcurl/7.16.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Executing as a daemon
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
18/06/2007 23:23:13||BOINC is running as a service and as a non-system user.
18/06/2007 23:23:13||No application graphics will be available.
18/06/2007 23:23:13|SETI@home Beta Test|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz [EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]
...
18/06/2007 23:23:13|SETI@home Beta Test|URL: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/; Computer ID: 16654; location: home; project prefs: default
...
18/06/2007 23:23:13||file projects/setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu_beta/libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll not found
18/06/2007 23:23:13||[error] No URL for file transfer of libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
18/06/2007 23:23:14|SETI@home Beta Test|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of file libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll


...

On my computer, I don't see the libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll

Do I need it really or is it only for screensaver or what ???



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Message 25517 - Posted: 19 Jun 2007, 0:43:32 UTC - in response to Message 25505.  

Yeti

This gets tougher, in that files that should have been cleared out are still there.

The answer to your basic question do I need "libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll" the answer is yes!

I packaged AP 4.12 which has the required file.

Regards

For those of you who wish to run AP and only AP - NO Enhanced - this is your app_info.xml:

<app_info>
<app>
<name>astropulse</name>
</app>
<file_info>
<name>astropulse_4.12_windows_intelx86.exe</name>
<executable/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll</name>
<sticky/>
</file_info>
<file_info>
<name>ap412.jpg</name>
<sticky/>
</file_info>
<app_version>
<app_name>astropulse</app_name>
<version_num>412</version_num>
<file_ref>
<file_name>astropulse_4.12_windows_intelx86.exe</file_name>
<main_program/>
</file_ref>
</app_version>
</app_info>

As anyone can see I have a ton of AP units but no Enhanced units.


I just wanted to prepare the use of this app_info.xml; copied this and changed 4.12 -> 4.16

The 4.16er application is in the projects directory, but if boinc starts I get:

18/06/2007 23:23:13||Starting BOINC client version 5.10.6 for windows_x86_64
18/06/2007 23:23:13||log flags: task, file_xfer, sched_ops
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Libraries: libcurl/7.16.1 OpenSSL/0.9.8e zlib/1.2.3
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Executing as a daemon
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Data directory: C:\\Program Files\\BOINC
18/06/2007 23:23:13||BOINC is running as a service and as a non-system user.
18/06/2007 23:23:13||No application graphics will be available.
18/06/2007 23:23:13|SETI@home Beta Test|Found app_info.xml; using anonymous platform
18/06/2007 23:23:13||Processor: 2 GenuineIntel Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T7200 @ 2.00GHz [EM64T Family 6 Model 15 Stepping 6]
...
18/06/2007 23:23:13|SETI@home Beta Test|URL: http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/; Computer ID: 16654; location: home; project prefs: default
...
18/06/2007 23:23:13||file projects/setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu_beta/libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll not found
18/06/2007 23:23:13||[error] No URL for file transfer of libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll
18/06/2007 23:23:14|SETI@home Beta Test|Backing off 1 min 0 sec on download of file libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll


...

On my computer, I don't see the libfftw3f-3-1-1a.dll

Do I need it really or is it only for screensaver or what ???


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