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Message 100805 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 16:01:36 UTC - in response to Message 100796.  

> No one has good pricing, unless you are in a lit building. In a lit building,
> AT&T is at $3500 for 100 megs, via the telco, its $7k for 45 megs. Same
> with just about every company out there. You can thank your not-friendly RBOC
> for that (Verizon, SBC, BellSouth, Qwest).

Until recently Cogent offered the same service at $1000/month right on their home page. Today their home page does not include pricing. I don't know if that means anything, but I did call them when I saw $1000/100meg.

I'm not in a "lit" building.
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Message 100808 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 16:11:43 UTC - in response to Message 100798.  

> The BOINCSAHwhomever people should get their own AS from ARIN. Have BGP
> connections to both Cogent and Berkeley.

Berkeley has their own AS.

Here is the story from the Planetary Society when SETI moved to Cogent.

According to the article, bandwidth through Campus is about $300/megabit. Through Cogent it's about $10/megabit.
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Message 100834 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 17:49:58 UTC - in response to Message 100805.  

> Until recently Cogent offered the same service at $1000/month right on their
> home page. Today their home page does not include pricing. I don't know if
> that means anything, but I did call them when I saw $1000/100meg.
>
> I'm not in a "lit" building.
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Well, I am at it from the service provider side, before mine was $30/meg. Yes, I do believe that end-user pricing is still at $1000/100 megs, but on the service provider side, it is $1500/100 megs or $2000/200 megs.

I stand corrected.
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Message 100837 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 17:54:24 UTC - in response to Message 100808.  

> Berkeley has their own AS.
>
> Here is the story <a> href="http://www.planetary.org/html/UPDATES/seti/SETI@home/Update_052002.htm">from
> the Planetary Society[/url] when SETI moved to Cogent.
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> According to the article, bandwidth through Campus is about $300/megabit.
> Through Cogent it's about $10/megabit.
>

I know Berkeley does, but the SETI guys should get their own to connect to Cogent and Berkeley to avoid all future problems with being single-homed to Cogent. If Berkeley is wanting $300/meg, then I'd recommend they pick up 100 megs from Cogent and say 50 megs from Savvis (they're at $25/meg on 100 meg commits) have 150 megs of bandwidth for what it'd cost for 7.5mbit through the university.
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Message 100840 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 18:02:59 UTC

Hi,

Same problem for me (France-Bordeaux) :

[sabi_p@fedorafc2 sabi_p]$ traceroute setiboinc.ssl.berkeley.edu
traceroute to setiboincdata.ssl.berkeley.edu (66.28.250.125), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 192.168.20.1 (192.168.20.1) 0.526 ms 0.533 ms 0.427 ms
2 193.253.171.105 (193.253.171.105) 45.798 ms 44.768 ms 47.025 ms
3 10.224.16.18 (10.224.16.18) 44.983 ms 44.823 ms 44.913 ms
4 pos0-0-2-0.nrpoi202.Poitiers.francetelecom.net (193.252.100.102) 50.306 ms 55.405 ms 49.666 ms
5 pos14-1.nrsta304.Paris.francetelecom.net (193.252.161.222) 58.228 ms 57.327 ms 58.268 ms
6 193.251.126.50 (193.251.126.50) 56.894 ms 56.588 ms 58.282 ms
7 P2-0.OAKCR2.Oakhill.opentransit.net (193.251.242.98) 139.076 ms 137.537 ms 137.750 ms
8 P1-0.ASHCR1.Ashburn.opentransit.net (193.251.243.89) 138.391 ms 139.524 ms 137.732 ms
9 sl-st21-ash-15-3.sprintlink.net (144.223.246.21) 138.412 ms 140.159 ms 140.402 ms
10 p16-0-1-1.r21.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.9.53) 140.426 ms 144.161 ms 140.419 ms
11 p16-2-0-0.r81.asbnva01.us.bb.verio.net (129.250.2.131) 140.408 ms 142.148 ms 140.641 ms
12 * * *
13 * * *
14 * * *

[sabi_p@fedorafc2 sabi_p]$

It's impossible to join SETI, hope this will be repaired.

Bye :)

Honi soit ki mal y pense !
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Message 100845 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 18:28:10 UTC - in response to Message 100840.  
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> It's impossible to join SETI, hope this will be repaired.
>
> Bye :)

According a French website these configurations of proxy and port should work:

195.229.240.86 PORT : 80
82.101.132.51 PORT : 8080
62.193.231.243 PORT : 8080
195.229.240.86 PORT : 80
193.188.96.19 PORT : 80
193.188.96.138 PORT : 80
217.17.233.181 PORT : 80
66.160.69.101 PORT : 80
202.56.253.183 PORT : 8080

in order to connect from Wanadoo to Cogent.

You need in Boinc Manager to go to "Tools" "Options" go to the tab "HTTP proxy" and bring over there one of the IP addresses and corresponding port.
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Message 100846 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 18:31:57 UTC - in response to Message 100840.  

Hi there...


To solve my problems (or Wanadoo's problems..) with Seti at home I've used the following proxy settings.
Works fine.. thanks..!!

So Boinc users in Holland (and Belgium, France..), goto "tools" - "options" and fill in the following http-proxy:

195.229.240.86 PORT : 80

Greetings,
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Message 100869 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 20:58:01 UTC - in response to Message 100846.  
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If you need to use a proxy that's safe and at the same time protect your privacy you could also try this free service
I was able to connect to S@H using this service and I think I don't have to worry about what the proxy server is doing with my private data that passes through it.

Regards
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Message 100872 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 21:06:16 UTC - in response to Message 100837.  


> I know Berkeley does, but the SETI guys should get their own to connect to
> Cogent and Berkeley to avoid all future problems with being single-homed to
> Cogent. If Berkeley is wanting $300/meg, then I'd recommend they pick up 100
> megs from Cogent and say 50 megs from Savvis (they're at $25/meg on 100 meg
> commits) have 150 megs of bandwidth for what it'd cost for 7.5mbit through the
> university.

That assumes of course that they have the budget to do so -- remember that they're running the whole show on practically no money.

The BOINC client is designed work without 100% availability instead of having to set up a multihomed site (on a university budget).

Presumably, Cogent and OpenTransit will work it out, and in the meantime proxies are working.
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Message 100876 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 21:31:04 UTC - in response to Message 100834.  


> Well, I am at it from the service provider side, before mine was $30/meg.
> Yes, I do believe that end-user pricing is still at $1000/100 megs, but on the
> service provider side, it is $1500/100 megs or $2000/200 megs.

So am I.

My understanding from reading NANOG is that other providers are not happy with Cogent because they openly advertise very aggressive pricing.

... and they've been especially aggressive in Europe.
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Message 100881 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 21:57:46 UTC - in response to Message 100382.  

> > As I said before this is small 'p' politics. It was for that reason the
> > Internet was never allowed near governments after it took off cos they
> would
> > screw it up for sure. Whoever screws this up on purpose or dealys fixing
> a
> > genuiine mistake are themelves making a huge mistake. The Internet is
> free and
> > open and transparent to all....stuff the party and company politics!
> That's my
> > view!
>
> Sorry, Ian.
>
> The internet was developed by the U.S. Department of Defense. It started
> solely as a way to keep communications going after a nuclear attack.
>
> ... and while the relevant department has changed a couple of times, the U.S.
> Government is still involved in a number of different ways.
>
> The most significant part: ICANN, the not-for-profit Internet Corporation for
> Assigned Names and Numbers gets their mandate from a contract with the U.S.
> Department of Commerce.
>
> If the government thinks that ICANN is not working, they can pull the
> contract.
>
> Granted, everyone is trying to do the right thing, worldwide, and it is in
> general working -- but let there be no question that Government involvement
> continues.
>

Just so you know and don't claim all the glory (as usual of the American culture) the WWW was developed at CERN, in France/Switzerland, (only the Internet was developed by the US Military) - ironically the guy that invented the WWW hates it lol :P
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Message 100884 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 22:02:50 UTC - in response to Message 100881.  

the WWW hates it lol :P
>
I don't know squat about networks, but felt the need to chime in on this subject.

The woman who lobbied Congress to get "Mothers day" official, regretted it the rest of her life after it was commercialized.
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Message 100907 - Posted: 18 Apr 2005, 23:48:10 UTC

Hi,
I read the topic, but I do not find an answer to my problem, who is similar, of course.
How do I solve this with seti1 (classic) ?
Thanks
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Message 100921 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 0:38:40 UTC

And... This thread makes the news here http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/

A swift resolution does not seem likely.

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Message 100946 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 1:58:02 UTC

Well you can add another area to the misfortune. I am in French Guyana, South America. We come in to the US on the Americas II line. I get the trace routes and ping ok for SETI, but the server systems do not respond and have not since Thursday the 14th. It is the same thing for Pirate and LHC, but Einstein and climat are working.
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Message 100987 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 2:50:20 UTC - in response to Message 100881.  

> Just so you know and don't claim all the glory (as usual of the American
> culture) the WWW was developed at CERN, in France/Switzerland, (only the
> Internet was developed by the US Military) - ironically the guy that invented
> the WWW hates it lol :P

... and only the badly uninformed use the terms "web" and "internet" interchangably.

I didn't say that the government involvement was good. I didn't say that involvement by the U.S. government was good. I didn't say that the U.S. deserved a pat on the back for accidentally developing something useful.

I just said that the government was and still is involved.

I'd be happier if they weren't. I don't even care which one.

But more than anything else, I'd be happy if we could have a good technical discussion without bashing each other over politics, governments, and nationality.
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Message 101023 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 3:36:49 UTC

Thanks, one of those proxys did save my day ;)
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Message 101098 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 5:49:01 UTC - in response to Message 99597.  

> Im just thought I would summarise a few threads from the problem boards. Since
> Feb 14th a number of French, Dutch and Belgian BOINCERS have have had huge
> connection problems to UC Berkeley for SETI. There appears to be a routing
> issue somewhere in USA and probably within Cogentco.com network. For those
> interested there are trace routes and the like on the problem pages. I can
> provide more info if folk need to know. I have emailed cogentco.com and David
> Anderson (not sure where to bring these matters to Berkeley technical people -
> tell me if you know please). The problem manifests itself as a failure to
> connect to a scheduler and deferred comms. It never connects after that and
> some folk have waited over a month to contact a scheduler. Thought you might
> all want to know especially as new users switching from classic to BOINC now
> might get a bit disenchanted. All is known to be Ok so far in Sweden and UK so
> far.
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Message 101104 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 6:09:22 UTC - in response to Message 101023.  

Just to add some more messages, I thought I'd say that my connection is fine MOST of the time, just not all of the time. There are occaisonal dead patches where I have no connection. My ISP is Wanadoo but I do connect through the Freeserve servers. We were moved to Wanadoo when Freeserve went bust, but we kept the links! This means that other than random connection outages that disconnect the entire network here there is nothing wrong really.
A tracert on my connection never shows any Wanadoo connections at all.
The Freeserve hop is hop 4 here and then hop 5 is CogentCo. Old Freeserve users should be alright. Mind you, Wanadoo keep dropping the connection because they are doing "essential maintainence" (they tell me).
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Message 101112 - Posted: 19 Apr 2005, 6:51:27 UTC

Hey I never had a thread of mine make the Seti News headlines. Indeed never made a thread before! Wow!. Seriously though....how do we ask the seti technical people to offer a web page with Proxy server details so that the many ( and increasing daily) people affected have findable and definitive help. Remember some people are not IT people like many of us and a proxy is a msytery to them! A peering arrangement or transit arrangement means jack s . I ask this because a thread is hard to navigate and find the information you want. Just trying to mke it easier for people. I can put some info on my web site so it might only have to be a link from Seti web site. Do I mail David Anderson again to ask this? Let me know.

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