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Message 18186 - Posted: 27 Aug 2004, 13:16:40 UTC - in response to Message 17858.  

> Me too;)
>
> 01 - Bruno Moretti IK2WQA
> 02 - Byron Leigh Hatch (for Carl Sagan)
> 03 - Classy Dave
> 04 - Arianna
> 05 - Bruno G. Olsen ¤ ESEA @ greenholt
> 06 - Archimèdes
> 07 - Sir Ulli
> 08 - SETI @ CERN
> 09 - Mjöllnir
> 10 - Petit Soleil
> 11 - Hypatia of Alexandria
> 12 - [Twisted Hardware] Bikkel
> 13 - slavko.sk
> 14 - PyroFox
> 15 - Paul D. Buck
> 16 - Mike Kaehler
> 17 - Chip Long
> 18 - 1201 Program Alarm
> 19 - 1202 Program Alarm
> 20 - Nick From SETI.UK
> 21 - RichiMeister switzerland
> 22 - Rocky Cudd
> 23 - Quantum
> 24 - CTWL83
> 25 - Solar Eclipse
> 26 - Pascal
> 27 - Ned Ludd
> 28 - MLCudd
> 29 - JFitz
> 30 - eberndl
> 31 - Bakareth
32 - Keith Klahn
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Message 18191 - Posted: 27 Aug 2004, 13:22:42 UTC - in response to Message 17775.  

> Ok, Let's go,
>
> Add Emilio González, or Offler, pls. The one you prefer :-)
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> Certainly they don't deserve such insults. They just try to do their job, and
> this is a complicated project with the goal to ease distributed computing.
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As a member of the same club I do agree. I already posted it several days back so I join the team as well, add me in.

They do not have to be insulted at all. On the contrary, they have my recognition for doing a good job.
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Message 18267 - Posted: 27 Aug 2004, 16:57:49 UTC

> 01 - Bruno Moretti IK2WQA
> 02 - Byron Leigh Hatch (for Carl Sagan)
> 03 - Classy Dave
> 04 - Arianna
> 05 - Bruno G. Olsen ¤ ESEA @ greenholt
> 06 - Archimèdes
> 07 - Sir Ulli
> 08 - SETI @ CERN
> 09 - Mjöllnir
> 10 - Petit Soleil
> 11 - Hypatia of Alexandria
> 12 - [Twisted Hardware] Bikkel
> 13 - slavko.sk
> 14 - PyroFox
> 15 - Paul D. Buck
> 16 - Mike Kaehler
> 17 - Chip Long
> 18 - 1201 Program Alarm
> 19 - 1202 Program Alarm
> 20 - Nick From SETI.UK
> 21 - RichiMeister switzerland
> 22 - Rocky Cudd
> 23 - Quantum
> 24 - CTWL83
> 25 - Solar Eclipse
> 26 - Pascal
> 27 - Ned Ludd
> 28 - MLCudd
> 29 - JFitz
> 30 - eberndl
> 31 - Bakareth
> 32 - Keith Klahn
> 33 - johnny nielsen
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Message 18269 - Posted: 27 Aug 2004, 17:01:42 UTC - in response to Message 17775.  
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My friend Emilio González wrote:
> Certainly they don't deserve such insults.
> They just try to do their job, and
> this is a complicated project with the goal
> to ease distributed computing.


BOINC: SETI@home, Astropulse, CPDN, Predictor@home, etc. etc.

An ENORMOUS INTERNATIONAL GIANT

always without money and in this moment

based on only f-o-u-r pillars of "manpower":

Dave, Rom, Matt & Jeff,

the Fab Four of Distributed Computing. ;-)

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Message 18285 - Posted: 27 Aug 2004, 17:37:01 UTC

Add me in .

Thanks to all the DEV staff.

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Message 18659 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 7:34:29 UTC
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From Dr. David Anderson to Bruno Moretti
S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club © CEO & founder



>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 21:27:03 +0200
>From: brmoret@tin.it
>Subject: S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club ©
>To: davea@ssl.berkeley.edu
>
>
>Hi and excuse me.
>
>Please read
>S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club ©
>http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=3067
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>Thanks you very much.
>
>Clear skies and good luck!
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>Bruno IK2WQA


>>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 14:34:03 -0800
>>From: David Anderson
>>To: brmoret@tin.it
>>Subject: Re: S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club ©

Bruno:

Thanks for the pointer.
I'm glad someone is defending us!

The transition of SETI@home to BOINC has been difficult.
BOINC is so much more complicated than the original SETI@home,
and yet our manpower is very limited (2 people - me and Rom).
I felt we had to do the public launch when we did,
because the beta test had gone on for so long,
and yet there were still lots of problems.
We (SETI@home) then had some bad luck with hardware failures.

In the last month I've been working on enabling new
BOINC-based projects - notably Climateprediction.net -
because I think this is the future.
Rom, Jeff and Matt have been working long days to keep
SETI@home/BOINC going, and they're close to succeeding.

I greatly appreciate the support of you, Sir Ulli,
and all the other "non-negative" participants.

-- David



> Thanks David!
>
> Small question:
> this your email is private only
> or
> do I have your permission of publication
> on SETI message boards?
>
>
> Good work to all S@h Berkeley's Staff!!!
>
> Clear skies.
>
> Bruno IK2WQA


Bruno:
It's fine with me if you quote me on the message boards.
And please also convey my apology for not participating
in the message boards -- if I did I would never sleep!

-- David




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Message 18674 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 8:45:11 UTC
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What a very informative E-mail! Dr. Anderson, it's good to hear you give an explanation for the delays and misstarts of this latest launch. Before this I thought only Rom Walton passed out information.

That said, doesn't this information belong in the News column of the homepage? I don't think that you need to participate in this forum as it would take up way too much time -- there are, in fact, at least two other forums that discuss SETI/BOINC issues -- but if people could rely upon the News column there would be a lot less complaining about the lack of information here.

Dr. Anderson, you must look at these boards (or have some access to what goes on here) since you seem to understand that there is a lot of negative comment. But I'm afraid you are quite mistaken that the so-called S@h Berkeley's Staff Friends Club © are non-negative participants. I have seen some of them taunt, insult, and verbally try to drive away anyone who offers criticism, no matter how constructive. If it's a democratic open forum that is supposed to be provided here, it sometimes fails badly.

I guess this post is negative, but you need to hear it.

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Message 18675 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 8:45:17 UTC
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@ Bruno Moretti IK2WQA

I find it curious that Dr. Anderson can take the time to address you personally, but not address the 40,000 participants; that's assuming that your post is genuine and not a fabrication. If I'm not mistaken, SSL has our e-mail addresses, or he could post any statement or news directly on these boards. Curious indeed.

Oh, and one other thing, did any of the Alpha & Beta testers that stuck through the development phase ever receive even a thank you? If he did I never saw it. But here he thanks a group dedicated to applauding him; draw your own conclusions at your own risk. If it is genuine then shame on Dr. Anderson,and if fabricated, shame on you.



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Message 18683 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 9:18:50 UTC
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Dear Mr.Andersen

I am not surprise to read the following in your email

Quote
In the last month I've been working on enabling new
BOINC-based projects - notably Climateprediction.net -
because I think this is the future.
Unquote

Does it mean that SETI is already in the past ?
Sice I have Joined BOINC I have always had the feeling that
if everything went so wrong it was because someone wanted
CPDN to take over SETI.

With all my respect you and your team are missing crucial
points in regards to SETI participants. Programming and codes
are one thing but public relation is another and I have to say
that it's the wourst I have ever seen in a technical project.
I believe it would be good for the project if you could step
back and have a look at the project from the users side.
To be honnest I have doubt about your real intention about
SETI and I have said once that if I was the manager of this
project and that I would try to get rid of the participant
(or move them to CPDN) I would do exactly what you are doing
now.

The SETI spirit is slowly dying and it's not the fault of the
COMPLAINING participants. It's yours.


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Message 18687 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 9:26:43 UTC - in response to Message 18683.  
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> Dear Mr.Andersen
>
> I am not surprise to read the following in your email
>
> Quote
> In the last month I've been working on enabling new
> BOINC-based projects - notably Climateprediction.net -
> because I think this is the future.
> Unquote
>
> Does it mean that SETI is already in the past ?
> Sice I have Joined BOINC I have always had the feeling that
> if everything went so wrong it was because someone wanted
> CPDN to take over SETI.
>
> With all my respect you and your team are missing crucial
> points in regards to SETI participants. Programming and codes
> are one thing but public relation is another and I have to say
> that it's the wourst I have ever seen in a technical project.
> I believe it would be good for the project if you could step
> back and have a look at the project from the users side.
> To be honnest I have doubt about your real intention about
> SETI and I have said once that if I was the manager of this
> project and that I would try to get rid of the participant
> (or move them to CPDN) I would do exactly what you are doing
> now.
>
> The SETI spirit is slowly dying and it's not the fault of the
> COMPLAINING participants. It's yours.
>
>

What happened, I thought that you were one of the cheerleaders (You're on the honors list)? Oops, does this mean that the group is starting to unravel. Can some of you now see the sun rising in the east after wearing blinders? Absolutely amazing...welcome to the light.



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Message 18690 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 9:36:18 UTC - in response to Message 18687.  
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> What happened, I thought that you were one of the cheerleaders? Oops, does
> this mean that the group is starting to unravel. Can some of you now see the
> sun rising in the east after wearing blinders? Absolutely amazing...welcome to
> the light.

HA HA HA

I have never been blind. Look in earlier post in this thread and
you will find explanation for me being in the Club. I don't know
how long I will be able to stay anyway? I'm the rebel one.
Just hope I'll have my money back...

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Message 18696 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 9:47:06 UTC
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Great minds think alike or fools never differ. Well, I like and agree with some of the points which you have made. Although you didn't mention him, the one shining lights in all this mess has been Rom. He has taken a lot of precious time to try and inform the group as a whole about technical problems to the best of his ability. However, he alone does not have the authority to speak as the administrator. But this doesn't address that e-mail from Dr. Anderson.



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Message 18700 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 9:54:13 UTC - in response to Message 18696.  
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> Great minds think alike or fools never differ. Well, I like and agree with
> some of the points which you have made. Although you didn't mention him, the
> one shining lights in all this mess has been Rom. He has taken a lot of
> precious time to try and inform the group as a whole about technical problems
> to the best of his ability. However, he alone does not have the authority to
> speak as the administrator. But this doesn't address that e-mail from Dr.
> Anderson.

Yes I agree. We're actually very lucky to have him doing some public
relations although it's not his job and he doesn't have to do it.
Thanks Rom !

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Message 18707 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 10:05:50 UTC

inspite of all the downtime lately, i still think they've done a good job thus far considering its still early days in S@H boinc...Good work guys!

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Message 18709 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 10:13:25 UTC
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Message 18714 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 10:35:21 UTC

01 - Bruno Moretti IK2WQA
02 - Byron Leigh Hatch (for Carl Sagan)
03 - Classy Dave
04 - Arianna
05 - Bruno G. Olsen ¤ ESEA @ greenholt
06 - Archimèdes
07 - Sir Ulli
08 - SETI @ CERN
09 - Mjöllnir
10 - Petit Soleil
11 - Hypatia of Alexandria
12 - [Twisted Hardware] Bikkel
13 - slavko.sk
14 - PyroFox
15 - Paul D. Buck
16 - Mike Kaehler
17 - Chip Long
18 - 1201 Program Alarm
19 - 1202 Program Alarm
20 - Nick From SETI.UK
21 - RichiMeister switzerland
22 - Rocky Cudd
23 - Quantum
24 - CTWL83
25 - Solar Eclipse
26 - Pascal
27 - Ned Ludd
28 - MLCudd
29 - JFitz
30 - eberndl
31 - Bakareth
32 - Keith Klahn
33 - johnny nielsen
34 - M@tt - The Clangers


Please count me in, I have been crunching seti and only seti for years now. I really don't like reading posts that are negative :)



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Message 18720 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 11:04:25 UTC
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This guys in Berkeley and all the other programmer (also Add.Ons,..), testers and users are doing great work for our society-> I'll join!!!

Basti,
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Message 18752 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 13:50:15 UTC

hmm interesting. When some people react to the very aggressive, angry batchering of the seti@home project, which btw has nothing to do at all with any kind of constructive critisism, they are mindless cheerleaders that do not think anything could be better, do not acknowledge the mistakes, possible mistakes or anything.

Is it the faul language in endless complaints from people who doesn't seem to think about anything else than themselves and/or want to display themselves as selfproclaimed geniuses who never make mistakes, never have trouble with anything and apparently have God status that we should cheer on, even humbly lick their feet? I think not.

Now I've done some speculating about other people's reasons for their actions on this board, just as some of you have done about some others. Is that constructive? Or perhabs an act of stupidity? Call me stupid, 'cuz I'd think the latter.


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Message 18760 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 14:19:14 UTC - in response to Message 18675.  
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> @ Bruno Moretti IK2WQA
>
> I find it curious that Dr. Anderson can take the time to address you
> personally, but not address the 40,000 participants; that's assuming that your
> post is genuine and not a fabrication. If I'm not mistaken, SSL has our
> e-mail addresses, or he could post any statement or news directly on these
> boards. Curious indeed.
>
> Oh, and one other thing, did any of the Alpha & Beta testers that stuck
> through the development phase ever receive even a thank you? If he did I never
> saw it. But here he thanks a group dedicated to applauding him; draw your own
> conclusions at your own risk. If it is genuine then shame on Dr. Anderson,and
> if fabricated, shame on you.
>
>
>
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Message 18768 - Posted: 28 Aug 2004, 14:44:28 UTC

Hi

Please let me in.

My Nick is Mike.

Everything is said.

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