Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (2)

Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (2)
Message board moderation

To post messages, you must log in.

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 22 · Next

AuthorMessage
Profile Cliff Harding
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 18 Aug 99
Posts: 1432
Credit: 110,967,840
RAC: 67
United States
Message 1974551 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 19:07:46 UTC

The original thread is getting a little long in the tooth, so we start its' second coming.....

It seems that in the near future (build 1903) M$S will appropriate at least 7 GB of your system drive for its' own use.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/windows-10-update-1903-will-reserve-7gb-of-your-disk-space.html


I don't buy computers, I build them!!
ID: 1974551 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1974571 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 20:21:12 UTC
Last modified: 10 Jan 2019, 20:51:00 UTC

Just to link in the original (epic!) thread for reference, infamy, posterity, whatever:

Windows 10 - Yea or Nay?

(And a shortcut to the last day's posts.)


Enjoy?
Martin

(Thanks Cliff for the threads, Cheers Martin)
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1974571 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1974573 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 20:23:44 UTC
Last modified: 10 Jan 2019, 20:45:17 UTC

This is from Saturday 24th June 1995:

Dilbert by Scott Adams: Computer Holy Wars



Have we made ANY progress at all?...

Here's ever hopeful...

IT is very much what we make it...
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1974573 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1974575 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 20:36:25 UTC - in response to Message 1974551.  
Last modified: 10 Jan 2019, 20:55:28 UTC

The original thread is getting a little long in the tooth, so we start its' second coming.....

It seems that in the near future (build 1903) M$S will appropriate at least 7 GB of your system drive for its' own use.
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/windows-10-update-1903-will-reserve-7gb-of-your-disk-space.html

Oooer... To be fair, 7GBytes will be negligible for some systems. However, that will be a badly hefty hit for the mobile or older stuff... For example, my perfectly capable Linux netbook that is in daily use has a mere 8GBytes of SSD...

Regardless, quite "proscriptive" whether you like it or not...


For comparison, for three Linux systems here, I get the system disk usage:

Desktop/workstation (including development stuff):
# du -chs /bin /boot /etc /lib32 /lib64 /root /sbin /usr
8.1M    /bin
86M     /boot
14M     /etc
3.8M    /lib32
2.7G    /lib64
3.5M    /root
14M     /sbin
16G     /usr

19G     total


Web server (serving email, cloud services, and a gazillion Wordpress sites):
# du -chs /bin /boot /etc /lib32 /lib64 /root /sbin /usr
8.3M    /bin
4.0K    /boot
29M     /etc
3.7M    /lib32
2.4G    /lib64
36M     /root
12M     /sbin
7.4G    /usr

9.9G    total


And a more typical home system:
# du -chs /bin /boot /etc /lib /root /sbin /usr
5.2M    /bin
20M     /boot
4.9M    /etc
153M    /lib
28K     /root
6.3M    /sbin
1.6G    /usr

1.8G    total



In comparison, the Windows 7GBytes is rather lightweight for servers and development systems, but then I guess those users should know better than to run out of disk space...

But in comparison to the 1.8GBytes typical home system, wow! What an incredible bloat factor with Windows to choke everything and slow everything down and blow your internet allowance!!


IT is what we allow it to be...
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1974575 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7367
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1974590 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 21:33:02 UTC

Greetings,

I just went into Group Policy Editor to check my setting. "Do not include drivers with Windows Updates" is still enabled. Seems that Microcrap is determined to do with our PCs whatever they want despite the settings they "give us" to prevent it from happening.

Seems that Microcrap cannot go by our "Advanced settings" either. I have mine set to defer security updates for 30 days. It has not been 30 days between this months and last months cumulative updates. Not to mention that I have several updates between those 2 updates as well. So much for the 30 day deferment. :|

Any other ideas on how to prevent Microcrap from dealing out their crappy drivers? I am fed up with having to reinstall my NVIDIA drivers after each update session. :(

Have a great day! :)

Siran
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1974590 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15182
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1974602 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 22:36:21 UTC - in response to Message 1974590.  

Any other ideas on how to prevent Microcrap from dealing out their crappy drivers?
You still have time to go back to Windows 7 or 8.1, both of which don't do this.
ID: 1974602 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7367
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1974603 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 22:42:05 UTC
Last modified: 10 Jan 2019, 22:53:59 UTC

Greetings,

Ok, upon doing some more Googling I found another driver update prevention. It's a registry hack.

I went to: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows
The instructions said to create a new key called "WindowsUpdate". It was already there for me so I clicked on it.
The instructions said to create a new key and give it a "DWORD (32-bit) Value" and to name the key "ExcludeWUDriversInQualityUpdate". That too was already there.
The instructions said to change the data value from 0 to 1. It was set to 0 so I changed it to 1.
The last thing the instructions said was: Once you've completed the steps, cumulative updates will continue to download, but you won't receive updates for drivers.

We'll see next month if that indeed stops the driver updates, well, sometime within the next 30 days since Microcrap does not follow the settings they "give us".

Have a great day! :)

Siran
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1974603 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7367
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1974606 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 22:52:23 UTC - in response to Message 1974602.  

Any other ideas on how to prevent Microcrap from dealing out their crappy drivers?
You still have time to go back to Windows 7 or 8.1, both of which don't do this.

Hi Jord,

I'm done with Microcrap. I have 3 settings now, the last one a registry hack, that hopefully will stop the driver updates. I'll stick it out until Microcrap decides to start their "Pay-as-you-go" version of Windows.

Have a great day! :)

Siran
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1974606 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15182
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1974608 - Posted: 10 Jan 2019, 23:15:18 UTC - in response to Message 1974606.  

...that hopefully will stop the driver updates. .
Since you don't understand yet that they'll do what they want to and that you have given them explicit permission to do so via the EULA, I'll be waiting for your next cry next month that it happened again. :)
ID: 1974608 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1974626 - Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 1:10:59 UTC
Last modified: 11 Jan 2019, 1:12:47 UTC

There are big costs indeed for suffering Windows systems for what can happen to them...


Cyber-insurance shock: Zurich refuses to foot NotPetya ransomware clean-up bill – and claims it's 'an act of war'

Snack company client disagrees, sues for $100m

US snack food giant Mondelez is suing its insurance company for $100m after its claim for cleaning up a massive NotPetya ransomware infection was rejected...

... The claim stems from the 2017 NotPetya cyberattack: a Windows-based piece of ransomware that encrypted a hard drive's file system table and prevented the system from booting. The code then demanded that a Bitcoin payment be made to regain access. Mondelez says it lost 1,700 servers and 24,000 laptops as a result of the malware...



Ouch?!

But why?!!... This sort of thing reminds me of various Monty Python farcical comedy sketches for things that simply should not happen... All a game of business?...


IT is what we allow it to be...
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1974626 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7367
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1974727 - Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 11:27:24 UTC - in response to Message 1974608.  

...that hopefully will stop the driver updates. .
Since you don't understand yet that they'll do what they want to and that you have given them explicit permission to do so via the EULA, I'll be waiting for your next cry next month that it happened again. :)

Jord,

Look. Others here are reporting that they don't have the problem I am experiencing. Obviously they have done something that I have not yet. I have done the suggestions given here such as the Group Policy setting. Perhaps the registry hack I discovered yesterday overrides everything else to stop driver updates. I don't know, it seems logical to me. Perhaps it's a combination of everything.

So, I would ask you that if you don't have a solution, don't slap me with BS. I know about the EULA. But, as I said, others here say they stopped the driver updates. If they can, I can too. I just need to come up with the correct "trick" to accomplish it.

Have a great day! :)

Siran
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1974727 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15182
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1974729 - Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 12:11:00 UTC - in response to Message 1974727.  

Others say they have stopped it until they don't because Microsoft adds a new line here, a registry entry there, anything that'll make it so it won't work as before and all the hoops you jumped through no longer work.
Don't you find it weird that you have to set in several places AND the registry that you don't want driver updates forced upon you? And that the amount of places you set it at increases with each update?

I don't slap you with anything, Microsoft is doing that already and you willingly comply. Complain to them!
ID: 1974729 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile tullio
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 04
Posts: 8388
Credit: 2,930,782
RAC: 1
Italy
Message 1974752 - Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 15:04:59 UTC

Microsoft updates on my Windows 10 hpme edition never overwrite my Nvidia drivers, which i get using Geforce.
Tullio
ID: 1974752 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Jord
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 9 Jun 99
Posts: 15182
Credit: 4,362,181
RAC: 3
Netherlands
Message 1974756 - Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 15:59:49 UTC - in response to Message 1974752.  

According to your computers list you don't have a system with Windows 10 Home Edition. So either it doesn't run Seti, or it doesn't run OpenCL tasks (CUDA is included in the Windows supplied drivers), or you misidentified your system.
ID: 1974756 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Bill G Special Project $75 donor
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 1 Jun 01
Posts: 1282
Credit: 187,688,550
RAC: 182
United States
Message 1974760 - Posted: 11 Jan 2019, 16:08:58 UTC - in response to Message 1974756.  

According to your computers list you don't have a system with Windows 10 Home Edition. So either it doesn't run Seti, or it doesn't run OpenCL tasks (CUDA is included in the Windows supplied drivers), or you misidentified your system.

Core X64 Edition is the Home edition.

SETI@home classic workunits 4,019
SETI@home classic CPU time 34,348 hours
ID: 1974760 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile tullio
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 9 Apr 04
Posts: 8388
Credit: 2,930,782
RAC: 1
Italy
Message 1974914 - Posted: 12 Jan 2019, 15:18:45 UTC

I am sure I have two Windows 10 PCs with the Home edition, one with version 1803 and the other 1809. The first has a Ryzen 5 1400 CPU and a GTX 1060 board, the second an A10-6700 CPU and a GTX 750 board because it is connected to a cathodic tube monitor and needs a VGA socket, so I had to retire its GTX 1050 Ti board.
Tullio
ID: 1974914 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1975864 - Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 1:49:39 UTC

Is this where Marketing-speak cannot overcome the reality of reality?...


Windows 10 October 2018 Update Starts Automatically Rolling Out in January 2019

Microsoft has a problem with marketing Windows 10 updates. It has yet to stick to a release cycle and gone through several names changs, but its biggest problem yet has been the straight-up lie in the so-called Windows 10 October 2018 Update’s name. You know, the update that just started automatically rolling out...

... But even that last story ended with the caveat that Microsoft still wasn’t releasing the Windows 10 October 2018 Update to everyone. The company had to resolve lingering problems...



No comment needed...

IT is what we allow it to be...
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1975864 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1975880 - Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 3:27:17 UTC

The inevitable, long overdue, finally happens?


... to be disappointed as Windows 10 Mobile death date set...

Microsoft has formally set the end date for support of its all-but-forgotten Windows 10 Mobile platform...


So... What happened? Or not?

IT is what we make it...
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1975880 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile ML1
Volunteer moderator
Volunteer tester

Send message
Joined: 25 Nov 01
Posts: 13193
Credit: 7,508,002
RAC: 20
United Kingdom
Message 1975886 - Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 3:47:18 UTC
Last modified: 19 Jan 2019, 3:49:14 UTC

Aside: Here is yet another example of how monolithic is NOT the way to continue... There is good development expediency to begin with for a 'small' system. However, as functionality and/or performance progresses, there is very good reason to go the '*nix' way of things despite the (small) overhead of system threads messaging:

At 900k lines of code, ONOS is getting heavy. Can it go on a diet?

Interview: Software Defined Networking (SDN) has changed the landscape of networking, but along the way it has created its own problems. Doug Comer of Purdue University thinks disaggregating SDN controllers like the Open Source Network Operating System (ONOS) could be a way forward...

... A monolithic controller isn't modular, can't be updated without disruption, and probably won't scale...



So why oh why is Windows so stubbornly still single threaded?!...

IT really is what we make it...
Martin
See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)
ID: 1975886 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
Profile Siran d'Vel'nahr
Volunteer tester
Avatar

Send message
Joined: 23 May 99
Posts: 7367
Credit: 44,181,323
RAC: 238
United States
Message 1975968 - Posted: 19 Jan 2019, 21:28:10 UTC

Greetings,

YEEEE HAAAAAAAA!!!!!

I just had a security update from Micro$oft. I didn't have to fix my video!!! Micro$oft did not change my driver this time. Woohoo!!!!! :D

Have a great day! :)

Siran
CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath
ID: 1975968 · Report as offensive     Reply Quote
1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 22 · Next

Message boards : Number crunching : Windows 10 - Yea or Nay? (2)


 
©2021 University of California
 
SETI@home and Astropulse are funded by grants from the National Science Foundation, NASA, and donations from SETI@home volunteers. AstroPulse is funded in part by the NSF through grant AST-0307956.