Wow, I knew there was an ideal location for the ram, but I didn't realize it would affect it that much! I do know I put my ram in the ideal slots when I installed, but since I'm not in front of it right now I can't confirm. Tom, I did just check the performance of your recent GPU tasks for the Vega 11, and they seem to be crunching pretty nicely (relatively speaking). The CPU tasks, though, still seem to be taking a bit more time. Perhaps they just need to run for a bit, but I'm not convinced you're out of the woods yet.

Regardless, glad you were able to find the main problem!

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Wow, I knew there was an ideal location for the ram, but I didn't realize it would affect it that much! I do know I put my ram in the ideal slots when I installed, but since I'm not in front of it right now I can't confirm. Tom, I did just check the performance of your recent GPU tasks for the Vega 11, and they seem to be crunching pretty nicely (relatively speaking). The CPU tasks, though, still seem to be taking a bit more time. Perhaps they just need to run for a bit, but I'm not convinced you're out of the woods yet.

Regardless, glad you were able to find the main problem!

I don't think I am out of the woods. But the CPU tasks I am now crunching seem to be significantly slower across several of my machines. I have started the process of switching motherboards for this system. If I am successful, it will allow me to explore a different bios that might or might not explain the apparent inability to change my CPU speed via the CPU multiplier.

I have a Amd 2600 and more ram on order to use with the ASRock MB. I will be tinkering with the bios to see if the issue is specific to the MB or to the CPU.

Tom

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I don't think I am out of the woods. But the CPU tasks I am now crunching seem to be significantly slower across several of my machines. I have started the process of switching motherboards for this system. If I am successful, it will allow me to explore a different bios that might or might not explain the apparent inability to change my CPU speed via the CPU multiplier.

I have a Amd 2600 and more ram on order to use with the ASRock MB. I will be tinkering with the bios to see if the issue is specific to the MB or to the CPU.

Tom

My 2200G is in an ASRock B450 Pro4, is that the same as the Pro+?

I'm not sure if the mobo is the problem, but the settings you have on it. Now that I am re-reading your post, I have a few questions:

1. At one point I had disabled cool 'n quiet, but I found that my cpu clocks were running slower than with it enabled. I changed it back to enabled and I haven't tried figuring out why that was the case.
2. How did you get your ram to 3133? Is that through an XMP profile? Did you use 1usmus' Ryzen ram calculator?
3. Is your "cpu volts" of 1.376 the SOC voltage? I was just reading recently that the SOC voltage set in bios may not be what is actually delivered. What is worse, is the voltage may be HIGHER. I'm concerned that you may be delivering too much voltage to your chip and thus degrading the performance.

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Generally, the rule for Ryzen is to not exceed 1.25V for the SoC. But that got relaxed somewhat for the APU chips because the SoC voltage has to drive the gpu on board. Depending on the motherboard and BIOS, some BIOS allow setting independent cpu and gpu voltages for the APU chips which is the ideal setup.

[Edit] You might want to review this article. https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3251-raven-ridge-soc-voltage-guidelines-how-to-kill-cpu-with-safe-voltage

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[Edit] You might want to review this article. https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3251-raven-ridge-soc-voltage-guidelines-how-to-kill-cpu-with-safe-voltage

Yes, that is the article that I was talking about. Thanks for linking it, Keith, I should have done that before. I haven't touched SOC, but HWinfo shows mine peaking at 1.1V.

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I don't think I am out of the woods. But the CPU tasks I am now crunching seem to be significantly slower across several of my machines. I have started the process of switching motherboards for this system. If I am successful, it will allow me to explore a different bios that might or might not explain the apparent inability to change my CPU speed via the CPU multiplier.

I have a Amd 2600 and more ram on order to use with the ASRock MB. I will be tinkering with the bios to see if the issue is specific to the MB or to the CPU.

Tom

My 2200G is in an ASRock B450 Pro4, is that the same as the Pro+?

I'm not sure if the mobo is the problem, but the settings you have on it. Now that I am re-reading your post, I have a few questions:

1. At one point I had disabled cool 'n quiet, but I found that my cpu clocks were running slower than with it enabled. I changed it back to enabled and I haven't tried figuring out why that was the case.
2. How did you get your ram to 3133? Is that through an XMP profile? Did you use 1usmus' Ryzen ram calculator?
3. Is your "cpu volts" of 1.376 the SOC voltage? I was just reading recently that the SOC voltage set in bios may not be what is actually delivered. What is worse, is the voltage may be HIGHER. I'm concerned that you may be delivering too much voltage to your chip and thus degrading the performance.

I looked at the MB again, I am not sure where I got the + from because I sure don't see it on the MB. I am running reset bios.
I have cool 'n quiet disabled. C6 global disabled. I am running the ram on the XMP profile which is 3000 etc. And I believe I have reset the primary video adaptor so if/when I pop another GPU in there it still sends the video out the motherboard connection.

SMT disable is still not working.

I got the Ram speed settings for 3133 by selecting in on the frequency drop down. I haven't used the ram calculator successfully so I am not using it.

Once I confirm the other MB will boot I will consider if there is a different bio flash because I may have downloaded the wrong one. Except the website didn't say Pro4 + either. Hmmmm......

Tom

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I don't think I am out of the woods. But the CPU tasks I am now crunching seem to be significantly slower across several of my machines. I have started the process of switching motherboards for this system. If I am successful, it will allow me to explore a different bios that might or might not explain the apparent inability to change my CPU speed via the CPU multiplier.

I have a Amd 2600 and more ram on order to use with the ASRock MB. I will be tinkering with the bios to see if the issue is specific to the MB or to the CPU.

Tom

My 2200G is in an ASRock B450 Pro4, is that the same as the Pro+?

I'm not sure if the mobo is the problem, but the settings you have on it. Now that I am re-reading your post, I have a few questions:

1. At one point I had disabled cool 'n quiet, but I found that my cpu clocks were running slower than with it enabled. I changed it back to enabled and I haven't tried figuring out why that was the case.
2. How did you get your ram to 3133? Is that through an XMP profile? Did you use 1usmus' Ryzen ram calculator?
3. Is your "cpu volts" of 1.376 the SOC voltage? I was just reading recently that the SOC voltage set in bios may not be what is actually delivered. What is worse, is the voltage may be HIGHER. I'm concerned that you may be delivering too much voltage to your chip and thus degrading the performance.

I looked at the MB again, I am not sure where I got the + from because I sure don't see it on the MB. I am running reset bios.
I have cool 'n quiet disabled. C6 global disabled. I am running the ram on the XMP profile which is 3000 etc. And I believe I have reset the primary video adaptor so if/when I pop another GPU in there it still sends the video out the motherboard connection.

SMT disable is still not working.

I got the Ram speed settings for 3133 by selecting in on the frequency drop down. I haven't used the ram calculator successfully so I am not using it.

Once I confirm the other MB will boot I will consider if there is a different bio flash because I may have downloaded the wrong one. Except the website didn't say Pro4 + either. Hmmmm......

Tom

In case you have not flashed the bios on your ASRock board before, you sometimes need to install the AMD all in one video driver (available on ASRock’s website) first before flashing the bios. Also you may need to flash to an intermediate version before flashing to the latest one. It is labeled on their website in the download section for the mobo so it should be clear what to do.

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I don't think I am out of the woods. But the CPU tasks I am now crunching seem to be significantly slower across several of my machines. I have started the process of switching motherboards for this system. If I am successful, it will allow me to explore a different bios that might or might not explain the apparent inability to change my CPU speed via the CPU multiplier.

I have a Amd 2600 and more ram on order to use with the ASRock MB. I will be tinkering with the bios to see if the issue is specific to the MB or to the CPU.

Tom

My 2200G is in an ASRock B450 Pro4, is that the same as the Pro+?

I'm not sure if the mobo is the problem, but the settings you have on it. Now that I am re-reading your post, I have a few questions:

1. At one point I had disabled cool 'n quiet, but I found that my cpu clocks were running slower than with it enabled. I changed it back to enabled and I haven't tried figuring out why that was the case.
2. How did you get your ram to 3133? Is that through an XMP profile? Did you use 1usmus' Ryzen ram calculator?
3. Is your "cpu volts" of 1.376 the SOC voltage? I was just reading recently that the SOC voltage set in bios may not be what is actually delivered. What is worse, is the voltage may be HIGHER. I'm concerned that you may be delivering too much voltage to your chip and thus degrading the performance.

I looked at the MB again, I am not sure where I got the + from because I sure don't see it on the MB. I am running reset bios.
I have cool 'n quiet disabled. C6 global disabled. I am running the ram on the XMP profile which is 3000 etc. And I believe I have reset the primary video adaptor so if/when I pop another GPU in there it still sends the video out the motherboard connection.

SMT disable is still not working.

I got the Ram speed settings for 3133 by selecting in on the frequency drop down. I haven't used the ram calculator successfully so I am not using it.

Once I confirm the other MB will boot I will consider if there is a different bio flash because I may have downloaded the wrong one. Except the website didn't say Pro4 + either. Hmmmm......

Tom

In case you have not flashed the bios on your ASRock board before, you sometimes need to install the AMD all in one video driver (available on ASRock’s website) first before flashing the bios. Also you may need to flash to an intermediate version before flashing to the latest one. It is labeled on their website in the download section for the mobo so it should be clear what to do.

The website was quite specific on getting the "all in one" video driver installed :) It also claims I can't "backgrade" to a lower level bios which is why I haven't tried it yet. If it turns out my Tomahawk (sp) MB is really toast I may not want to tinker with a "working" MB.

I just turned on the cool 'n quiet and the global C state settings. Will watch the cpu processing till tomorrow when I will try the MB swap out.

Tom

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You can't use the builtin motherboard flashing feature to revert to an older BIOS IF the newer BIOS has a higher AGESA level. You really want to use the latest AGESA code level since it has the most changes for compatibility and memory improvements. To flash to an older BIOS level at a lower AGESA level requires flashing the BIOS with an old DOS utility called AFUDOS. The reason is the AGESA code is held in the most root boot block levels in the BIOS.

I still would go with the most recent stable, not BETA BIOS.

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You can't use the builtin motherboard flashing feature to revert to an older BIOS IF the newer BIOS has a higher AGESA level. You really want to use the latest AGESA code level since it has the most changes for compatibility and memory improvements. To flash to an older BIOS level at a lower AGESA level requires flashing the BIOS with an old DOS utility called AFUDOS. The reason is the AGESA code is held in the most root boot block levels in the BIOS.

I still would go with the most recent stable, not BETA BIOS.

The website doesn't label it as a BETA bios. But it does specifically say this is the bios you need to run a Ryzen 3000.
If it still is "buggy" with a regular Zen 1+ cpu I will look at the process of backflashing with AFUDOS.
Tom

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You can find the utility at ASUS. This post has the procedure.
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?99490-Flash-any-most-Asus-motherboard-Bios-in-DOS-with-USB-tutorial-Intel-AMD-roll-back

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You can find the utility at ASUS. This post has the procedure.
https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?99490-Flash-any-most-Asus-motherboard-Bios-in-DOS-with-USB-tutorial-Intel-AMD-roll-back

Thank you.

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I have just successfully replaced my Asrock MB with a MSI Tomahawk B450 MB. Except for the first boot where Win10 had to install a bunch more/different drivers and the fact that setting the "Windows WQSL" toggle on cause's some garbled text on some of the displays (toggled it off and problem went away) it appears to be working.

I will examine a "How to Overclock" a 2200G/2400G Ryzen with brand name of motherboard step by step from "Anandtech" and see if I can get something moving. Later today or tomorrow.

Tom

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One of the experiments that I previously was not able to run was turning off SMT (aka Hyperthreading).

I have just done that as well as setting the cpu multiplier to 3.7GHz.

I want to see if I can replicate the near one hour processing speed for Seti that Bill's 2200G is getting with 4 cores no SMT.
Yes, I am running 3 cores. 1 driving the iGPU the other two are crunching.

Toom

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One of the experiments that I previously was not able to run was turning off SMT (aka Hyperthreading).

I have just done that as well as setting the CPU multiplier to 3.7GHz.

I want to see if I can replicate the near one-hour processing speed for Seti that Bill's 2200G is getting with 4 cores no SMT.
Yes, I am running 3 cores. 1 driving the iGPU the other two are crunching.

Tom

I got around to downloading the Windows Hardware Scanner and when I ran it, it promptly reported my CPU was running at 3.9GHz.
I have the ram running on an XMP profile. I suppose I could try raising that speed.
The iGPU is munching along at well below an hour (mostly).

And while some of the CPU tasks have lower times, I guess I am going to have to wait (patiently!) for more info. Because I am still not really seeing the near 1-hour CPU processing speeds that Bill is getting on his AMD Ryzen 2200G even when I am running without SMT.

Tom.

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It's probably due to Bill's RAM speeds. Don't forget, Ryzen clock speeds depend on the memory clocks. You don't mention what your memory XMP rating is. You probably can't get much beyond 3000-3200 on memory without a lot of tuning.

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I got around to downloading the Windows Hardware Scanner and when I ran it, it promptly reported my CPU was running at 3.9GHz.
I have the ram running on an XMP profile. I suppose I could try raising that speed.
The iGPU is munching along at well below an hour (mostly).

And while some of the CPU tasks have lower times, I guess I am going to have to wait (patiently!) for more info. Because I am still not really seeing the near 1-hour CPU processing speeds that Bill is getting on his AMD Ryzen 2200G even when I am running without SMT.

Tom.

Yeah your GPU is "smoking" right now (relatively speaking, of course. I know we're at the bottom of the barrel). Something is strange with the CPU. I suppose it could that you lost in the silicon lottery, or I won, but I don't know if it would make that much of a difference. How much RAM do you have? I'm assuming in Windows you don't have a lot of background processes?

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I got around to downloading the Windows Hardware Scanner and when I ran it, it promptly reported my CPU was running at 3.9GHz.
I have the ram running on an XMP profile. I suppose I could try raising that speed.
The iGPU is munching along at well below an hour (mostly).

And while some of the CPU tasks have lower times, I guess I am going to have to wait (patiently!) for more info. Because I am still not really seeing the near 1-hour CPU processing speeds that Bill is getting on his AMD Ryzen 2200G even when I am running without SMT.

Tom.

Yeah your GPU is "smoking" right now (relatively speaking, of course. I know we're at the bottom of the barrel). Something is strange with the CPU. I suppose it could that you lost in the silicon lottery, or I won, but I don't know if it would make that much of a difference. How much RAM do you have? I'm assuming in Windows you don't have a lot of background processes?

I haven't gone to the effort to limit the background processes. Having done that on some really dinky netbooks I guess that is a good point.

I will also take a look at pushing this ram. The XMP profiles changes when I changed MB's. I did have a profile at 3000 now it has two and the faster one is just below 3000.

Thank you Keith and Bill for the replies. They help me consider what to try next.

Tom

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Tom, this may be a little late for you, but I just saw that ASRock posted a new bios version for the B450 Pro4 mobo (version 3.31). Under the notes it says "Support SMT mode disable". Perhaps your bug is now fixed? I have not flashed to this version yet (not that it matters, my APU does not have SMT).

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I will also take a look at pushing this ram. The XMP profiles changes when I changed MB's. I did have a profile at 3000 now it has two and the faster one is just below 3000.

There really is no "true" 3000Mhz XMP setting. That is simply rounded up from the actual 2933Mhz which is what the actual math and the clock multipliers produce.
That puts your Infinity Fabric speed at just under 1500Mhz for the cpu. The next step up would be a memory overclock to 3200Mhz via a multiplier or go the OC via BCLK route if your motherboard has a external BLCK generator.

That would bump your IF clocks to 1600Mhz.

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